Christian Hamartiology explained

Wintery Knight: Liar for God & Frank Turek

Wintery Knight, Christian Apologist and warrior for God, is shilling snake oil for Frank Turek. Lets break down what he says...

"I would say that the quickest way for us to stop the decline in church attendance is to embrace what... Frank [Turek is] doing..."

Frank Turek is an evangelical preacher who claims that science supports christianity. Turek claims he "does not have enough faith to be an atheist". Wintery Knight continues:

"We need a lot more naval aviators with PhDs speaking about WHY Christianity is true in the churches."

Naval aviators? Why not physicists? Biologists? Geologists? Historians? Because, of course, the vast majority of physicists, biologists, geologists and historians do not pretend that their science supports "Christianity". Most scientists do not believe in "god". Even the ones who do profess religious belief overwhelmingly have the sense to realise their faith is outside of science.

"We have enough emotivism, postmodernism, relativism, universalism, fideism, mysticism, anti-intellectualism and hedonism in the church – now let’s have some truth for a change."

By "truth", Wintery Knight means "christian" "truth". He means "revealed" "truth" that cannot be contradicted by evidence or logic. He presents the typical evangelical bait and switch. He promises "proof" and he provides bullshit.

"Let’s have some evidence. Let’s hear some alternative views. Let’s see some arguments. Let’s see some debates."

This from Wintery Knight, a man who dishonestly edits and deletes comments on his blog, with no notice to his readers that he has done so - to deliberately bear false witness against those he supposedly argues against.

Elsewhere, Wintery Knight tells us exactly why he thinks this is ok:

"I am not like you."

He quotes the Bible:

"So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God." 1 Cor 4:1-5 (NIV)

Wintery Knight thinks he is doing God's work. He thinks it is OK for him to lie, because God wants him too.

Contrararian

Wintery Knight dishonestly edits posts on his blog

Wintery Knight is a christian apologist. He argues that morality is irrational for atheism and that wives are under contract to have sex with their husbands. On his blog he claims his moderation policy is to give challengers the advantage. This is not true.

He edits comments he does not like to change their meaning. He doesn't let his readers know he has done this. He doesn't publish complaints about his edits. He bans visitors who complain about his actions.

He says he gets to make fun of visitors who don't follow his rules and his readers like it when he does - but if he doesn't let his readers know comments have been edited, how do they know he's making fun?

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Wintery Knight is a liar, a coward and a scoundrel

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Self-appointed "apologist" and christian warrior Wintery Knight has to be the most blatant example of a "liar for christ" that I have come across in my many years of blogging.

The author of a six-page treatise on how morality cannot exist without God has something seriously wrong with his own moral compass.

He seems to think it is ok for him to edit comments on his blog to change their meaning, put words into his commenter's mouths and avoid questions he can't answer.

Consider this comment I made on a thread discussing the Kalam Cosmological Argument:

contrararian says:

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

04/12/2010 at 4:03 PM

The only authority you cite is William Lane Craig, a man who (circular reasoning central) believes the Bible is the infallible word of God. Need I mention he is also not a cosmologist?

The argument fails because (a) we do not know that premise 2 is true; and (2) it is special pleading to insist that "god‚" requires no cause but that the universe must.

My "authorities" are albert einstein, stephen hawking, and the 90%+ of eary & life scientists who do not believe in "god"

The answer is that WE DO NOT KNOW what caused the universe. I don't. You don't. It is as simple as that.

Since that proposition is quite clearly true, it invalidates any traditional form of christianity. Q.E.D.

Rather than show his readers what I had written, Wintery Knight took "moderation" rights to new heights. He removed the bulk of my comments, added words I did not say, and without giving any indication that my post had been edited, he posted the following under my name as if this is what I had written:

The argument fails because (a) we do not know that premise 2 is true.

I DO NOT KNOW what caused the universe. Q.E.D.

He completely misleads his readers (and himself) about my argument. He gives no indication of any edits. He puts words into my mouth. Is this not bearing false witness? Is he not lying?

Here is my next comment:

contrararian says:

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

04/12/2010 at 4:59 PM

You deleted the bulk of my post. How amusing. Afraid, much?

I do not have to prove anything. You have tried to support the Kalem argument and you have failed.

Science cannot explain how the universe came into being. It is as simple as that. That leaves your premise 2 unproven – and worse, you cannot explain why if p2 is true, it should not also apply to your “god”.

I also pointed out that authorities in cosmology do not support your argument – but you deleted that along with the rest of my post.

Are you going to show my full post, or do I have to declare you a coward and a scoundrel? ;>

Wintery Knight edited that comment as well. The next comment as written was as follows:

contrararian says:

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

04/12/2010 at 5:11 PM

You do not consider that Albert Einstein & Stephen Hawking are authorities on Cosmology?

I have a prediction, Wintery Knight, that you will end up deleting either all my posts or all links to my blog from this thread.

Wintery Knight is the perfect example of why Fundamentalist Christianity* is false.

Its believers and defenders have to lie to defend it. They lie about what other people say. Blatantly, openly and repeatedly.

He has no shame. Why should he? After all, who is the real deceiver but he that denies what Wintery Knight tells us is god's word?

UPDATE: Click here for the latest on Wintery Knight's dishonesty.

[* Edited 18 April to add: "Fundamentalist". I have no issue with moderate religion of any stripe. Moderates do not have to lie about what others says to support their beliefs. By "fundamentalist", I mean the belief that a holy book is "inerrant" and "true". Such beliefs can only be supported by lying about what other people say. Don't agree? Then feel free to argue with me!]

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