"...I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me..." [Deuteronomy 5:8-10]

Wednesday, April 14, 2010

Wintery Knight is a liar, a coward and a scoundrel

Guest Post By Contrararian. (More here).

Self-appointed "apologist" and christian warrior Wintery Knight has to be the most blatant example of a "liar for christ" that I have come across in my many years of blogging.

The author of a six-page treatise on how morality cannot exist without God has something seriously wrong with his own moral compass.

He seems to think it is ok for him to edit comments on his blog to change their meaning, put words into his commenter's mouths and avoid questions he can't answer.

Consider this comment I made on a thread discussing the Kalam Cosmological Argument:

contrararian says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
04/12/2010 at 4:03 PM
The only authority you cite is William Lane Craig, a man who (circular reasoning central) believes the Bible is the infallible word of God. Need I mention he is also not a cosmologist?
The argument fails because (a) we do not know that premise 2 is true; and (2) it is special pleading to insist that "god‚" requires no cause but that the universe must.
My "authorities" are albert einstein, stephen hawking, and the 90%+ of eary & life scientists who do not believe in "god"
The answer is that WE DO NOT KNOW what caused the universe. I don't. You don't. It is as simple as that.
Since that proposition is quite clearly true, it invalidates any traditional form of christianity. Q.E.D.

Rather than show his readers what I had written, Wintery Knight took "moderation" rights to new heights. He removed the bulk of my comments, added words I did not say, and without giving any indication that my post had been edited, he posted the following under my name as if this is what I had written:

The argument fails because (a) we do not know that premise 2 is true.
I DO NOT KNOW what caused the universe. Q.E.D.

He completely misleads his readers (and himself) about my argument. He gives no indication of any edits. He puts words into my mouth. Is this not bearing false witness? Is he not lying?

Here is my next comment:

contrararian says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
04/12/2010 at 4:59 PM
You deleted the bulk of my post. How amusing. Afraid, much?
I do not have to prove anything. You have tried to support the Kalem argument and you have failed.
Science cannot explain how the universe came into being. It is as simple as that. That leaves your premise 2 unproven – and worse, you cannot explain why if p2 is true, it should not also apply to your “god”.
I also pointed out that authorities in cosmology do not support your argument – but you deleted that along with the rest of my post.
Are you going to show my full post, or do I have to declare you a coward and a scoundrel? ;>

Wintery Knight edited that comment as well. The next comment as written was as follows:

contrararian says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
04/12/2010 at 5:11 PM
You do not consider that Albert Einstein & Stephen Hawking are authorities on Cosmology?
I have a prediction, Wintery Knight, that you will end up deleting either all my posts or all links to my blog from this thread.

Wintery Knight is the perfect example of why Fundamentalist Christianity* is false.

Its believers and defenders have to lie to defend it. They lie about what other people say. Blatantly, openly and repeatedly.

He has no shame. Why should he? After all, who is the real deceiver but he that denies what Wintery Knight tells us is god's word?

UPDATE: Click here for the latest on Wintery Knight's dishonesty.

[* Edited 18 April to add: "Fundamentalist". I have no issue with moderate religion of any stripe. Moderates do not have to lie about what others says to support their beliefs. By "fundamentalist", I mean the belief that a holy book is "inerrant" and "true". Such beliefs can only be supported by lying about what other people say. Don't agree? Then feel free to argue with me!]


KDC1977 said...

I tried to have a conversation with this toad and he did the same to me. This is why I accept your claim. :) what a douche!

PTET said...

Imagine he's been doing this for quite some time and getting away with it because no-one could be bothered to complain.

Seriously, what a scum-bag.

Anonymous said...

The irony of the Apocalypse::::
People told not to follow the Second Coming, who fail to recognize the urgency of the moment and die in the Apocalypse because of it.

Today's slaughterhouses have perfected the "quick kill":::The hammer slides across and it is "lights out".
In bygone eras whereas the skilled rancher knew where to place the knife for the quickest kill, it is a different story for fisherman. Fish are the one meat supply which suffers most before death, and it is noted by the Gods.
And why people like the Japanese base their food supply on the sea. Money is a terrible corruptor, and confuses people into thinking the Japanese could be favored, but this clue shoudl help people see that in fact these war mongers are among God's most disfavored.

Christianity is responsible for African slavery. The Italian men who ran the church set out to gain revenge for the invasion of Italy and, still the largest landowner in Europe, used their considerable clout with the thrones of England to achieve this.

Being "schitzo", the internal battle between good and evil, is a deteriorating gernerational issue that is dying off, much like I illustrated for punishment below:::
This new generation, people like Peter's kids, who were the grandparents of their parents, are an early evil generation and one whom became corrupted and fell for societal temptation readily available for them and every generation of the masses thereafter.
The Peters of the world came before that generation, the agrarian masses, God-fearing, absent for the temptation offerings of early modern society (Roaring 20s vs. 60s/70s). As a result whereas Peter has great internal conflict I refer to as schitzo because of his connection to his past his children will be less so, perhaps far less so depending on grade of sins in their prior life, decreasing generationally until they have all become Godless, immoral monsters.

Just as the Gulf oil spill was a clue from the Gods to conservatives about "Drill, drill, drill.", so was the PG&E/San Bruno fire a clue against doing what you are told.
Understand the message behind the act and learn from other people's loss.
If people begin to do the right thing the Gods will punish them for the evil they've done before then.

Anonymous said...

You're going to lose another church.

Anonymous said...

Same happened to me. I posted a very clear and concise refutal against his article about atheism being the reason Jared Lee Loughner shot Gabrielle Giffords, and Wintery Knight chose not to post it at all. All the comments that are in his comment section are from people who share his views. It's actually quite hilarious how he preaches about morality and justice and yet he can't even run a democracy in a blog comment section. I sent another comment to him explaining the pathetic irony in his actions. I don't expect it to be posted either. Don't worry or waste your time, people.. losers like this one don't go far in life. Karma's a bitch.

Jorgon Gorgon said...

I'v attempted having conversations with him, with similar results and have now given up trying (mostly; following his stream of illogical non-d`sequiturs and lies is a sick addictions`...:)) I am actually torn: most of the time he sounds like a hoax. I mean, nobody can be that idiotic and that mendacious at the same time. Can they? CAN THEY? Ouch...

Jorgon Gorgon said...

Damn Sun keyboards, with a backtick where backspace key is everywhere else...:)

The Celtic Chimp said...

Old wintery neglected to allow my comments also. They were on topic, profanity free, etc. They just didn't say what he wanted them to say.

It is amazing how often Christians "moderate" their comments. Comment moderation is generally nothing more than a defensive mechanism for people who are afraid of what someone else my say. There are exception, of course, and I wouldn't criticise anyone from filtering spam and pure invective. (Unless they happily engage in invective themselves when it suits)

Wintery Strikes my as the cowardly, tiny fish in a miniscule pond type of moderator.

Anonymous said...

Yep I have been wondering why only select posts are making it through. Anything vaguely intellectually challenging from an atheist viewpoint is deleted.

Andrew Ryan said...

Wintery Knight is borderline sociopathic and has serious issues about women:

Selected blog titles:
"Should Christian men marry Democrats who claim to be Christians?"
"How feminism made women unsuitable for marriage and parenting"
"Women should read “The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands”"
"Do men have a responsibility not to marry feminists?"
"What does the common practice of withholding sex reveal about women?"

Sample quote: "if a wife is not in the mood, she need not have sex with her husband. Here are some arguments why a woman who loves her husband might want to rethink this axiom."

"I actually had a conversation with a Christian woman once who said that women should not be obligated to do things that they didn’t feel like doing [he means have sex when not in the mood]. I asked her if men were obligated to go to work when they didn’t feel like going. She said yes, and acted as though I were crazy for asking. I just laughed, because she didn’t even see the inconsistency."

He thinks a woman not sleeping with her husband when not in the mood is equivalent to a man refusing to work. In other words, he sees sex as a woman's 'job'.

In another blog he lists advice to men to 'test' potential wives. It's a VERY long list, including:

"Burden her up with the stories of your hard work day and how hard it is to be a man. Express your concerns about women who withhold sex, put on weight, and spend too much, after they get married."

Not surprisingly, the man has never actually been in a relationship.

Anonymous said...

I hear you guys. Those are valid concerns. I only recently started following Wintery Knight's blog so I don't know too much about him. Anyway, don't peg us all on the same rung! I'm sure you all have encountered asinine atheistic blokes just the same :)
Kind regards,

Anonymous said...

@Andrew Ryan

I will cite the reason for this:
1 Corinthians 7:5

Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Because he is arguing from a christian perspective this is why he said it.

Anonymous said...

@Andrew Ryan

Rather than just attacking a person's character address his argument like how he is wrong.

ptet said...

@Andrew Ryan

You think it is not wrong for Wintery Knight to lie by deceptively editing comments on his blog?

Wow - you are a moron.

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Anonymous said...

You are a liar, a coward and a scoundrel.
There, that makes it true.
Atheists - the greatest dupes, non free thinkers and loser pseudo-intellectuals on earth.
You are a shill for the most vain, empty useless, idiotic position ever devised in a monkey-brained human - atheism.

Nothing created everything.
Yes, I believe! Blind faith in nothing dominates logical inferences to a necessarily supernatural cause.

Get informed for petes sake. You are an intellectual ant fighting an intellectual lion compared to Wintery.

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Al Graham said...

If this is the way Wintery Knight has been behaving (and I have no reason to doubt what you are saying) then he is clearly a charlatan. But what I find very interesting is your conclusion about Christianity. Many Christians, myself included, have engaged in lengthy debates about a wide range of issues relating to theism / atheism and (while I can only speak for myself) without running away from the kinds of arguments you present. You rightly accuse WK of cowardice and deceit, but I think you are being rather deceitful to assume that a judgment can be made about Christianity per se because of the actions of one pathetic loser, who imagines himself (herself) to be a great apologist. You seem to forget the many "internet atheists" who are as despicable as this character. I have been misquoted and my words twisted by atheists more times than I can remember. I have made respectful comments on atheist blogs, which have either not even been posted or have been posted and then responded to with a stream of insults! To be fair, I have also suffered similar treatment on certain Christian blogs.

Whatever you may think about Christianity or theism in general, you cannot claim to be rational and moral if you pass judgment on this view of reality on the basis of the corrupt behaviour of one person.

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