"...I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me..." [Deuteronomy 5:8-10]

Thursday, February 23, 2012

Rejoice that billions will burn in hell

Talking to Fundamentlaists reminds me why I stopped talking to fundamentalists.



I wrote:
There is your argument. That it *IS* is objectively “good” to gloat at billions of people suffering infinite, eternal torment for the sins of a human lifetime.
End Bringer replied:
...Aquinas was talking about the “rejoicing” being that good and justice has triumphed (those billions of people DO deserve it), rather than being happy suffering is being inflicted in itself.
And then:
Aquinas’s... was saying it’s objectively good to be glad justice and righteousness have triumphed, rather than simply because people suffer. If people suffer BECAUSE justice and righteousness are triumphant than the only conclusion is that their punishment is earned.
Rejoice that billions of people will burn in hell! They deserve it.

If you feel like you need to be punished for something, the whole thread is full of Fundie Fail.


Tuesday, February 21, 2012

1GodOnlyOne - Liar For God

I haven't posted for a while, but then this happened...


I commented on a Youtube video entitled "ATHEIST GETS POWNED IN 1 MINUTE".


The video's poster 1GodOnlyOne wrote:
atheist Dogma is the religion of uneducated, illogical, irrational losers.
I replied that the more educated someone was, the less likely they were to believe in God. I received this reply:
You are a complete and utter moron. ignorant post deleted unread -- ignorant shitbag troll blocked
1GodOnlyOne then posted this comment to his video:
The more educated a person is, the less likely he is to believe in atheist Dogma.
Of course, this is simply not true.

The truth hurts, 1GodOnlyOne. That's why you have to lie to support your religious beliefs.

Thursday, May 19, 2011

Happy Goodmans - Jesus Is Coming Soon (May 21 tribute)

Google Trends for Rapture & May 21


Google Trends for “Rapture”, “May 21” and “Harold Camping”

Go see contrararian.tumblr.com for full coverage of this momentous non-event:)

Thursday, April 07, 2011

Wander, Atheist soldiers

Wander, Atheist soldiers, anywhere you may,
With the book of Darwin leading you astray.
As our moral compass swings an aimless arc,
We shall ever strive to lead all into the Dark.

Refrain

Wander, Atheist soldiers, anywhere you may,
With the book of Darwin leading you astray.

Barbecuing babies, crossing 'gainst the light;
No deed is too heinous for our evil fight.
Our big problem is, though, with no moral stuff
We can't tell which actions are evil enough.

Refrain

So we're left with Darwin, Evolution's source;
But nat'ral selection's an unguided force.
Chosing Bad o'er Good we must therefore defer;
Let our motto be, then, "Like, man, whatever..."


Tuesday, March 22, 2011

God loves killing things

While randomly surfing, I wondered what creationists had to say about trilobites.

Here's Dr. Kurt Wise, professor of science and theology at Southern Theological Seminary, at AnswersInGenesis (my emphasis):
"Such a worldwide pattern of fossil layers suggests that a global catastrophe, such as the Bible describes, once struck the world. What if, when the “fountains of the great deep were broken up” (Genesis 7:11), the spreading waters surprised the trilobites living on the ocean bottom? As the water became muddy, trilobites scurried about in terror, leaving their tracks behind them. Then as a layer of mud covered their tracks, they climbed through the mud and left tracks on the next layer—repeating this process until they finally succumbed in exhaustion and were themselves buried and preserved."
If you listen carefully, you can still hear Dr. Wise fapping furiously with delight at the thought of God purposefully killing millions of terrified animals. Praise Jebus! ...

PTET

Thursday, January 20, 2011

Morality Without God - Game Set & Match

Internet Christians commonly claim that without "God" there is no morality.

OgreMkV demolishes this nonsense beautifully:
If God commanded people to start eating babies, what would you do?

There are three possible answers:

1) "No, it would still be immoral." That one's easy, and the best answer, and of course it demolishes the idea that God dictates what is moral.

2) "God would never do that, because God is moral." In order for this statement to have any meaning, morality must exist independent of God -- otherwise we could not decide whether God would do a particular thing based on whether or not that thing was moral, because that would be synonymous to asking ourselves whether God would do a particular thing based on whether God would do a particular thing.

3) "Knives out and start the rotesserie!" This, and only this, preserves the idea that morality comes from God, and only from God.
POTW for sure...

PTET

Monday, August 09, 2010

William Lane Craig, Steve Hays and undivine revelation

Time and again when talking to religious believers, I come across the spectacle of them asserting how their own spiritual experience validates their religion and beliefs, while rejecting the reported spiritual experiences of those of other faiths as being mistaken, delusional, demonic or even just wrong.

The Christian Apologist William Lane Craig explains on his website:

"Of course, anyone (or, at least any sort of theist) can claim to have a self-authenticating witness of God to the truth of his religion. But the reason you argue with them is because they really don't: either they've just had some emotional experience or else they've misinterpreted their religious experience."
He says he is, philosophically at least, open to the possibility of being wrong (emphasis added):
"So you present arguments and evidence in favor of Christian theism and objections against their worldview in the hope that their false confidence will crack under the weight of the argument and they will come to know the truth. (This also is what the atheist should do with me.)"
In practice, however, Craig makes it clear that no evidence could shake his self-authenticating "witness":
"...if Jesus' bones were actually found, then the doctrine of his resurrection would be false and so Christianity would not be true and there would be no witness of the Holy Spirit. So if Jesus' bones were found, no one should be a Christian. Fortunately, there is a witness of the Holy Spirit, and so it follows logically that Jesus' bones will not be found."
Craig's problem is that by assuming his religious beliefs to be true a priori, he leaves no room for him to examine or challenge his own assumptions to any rigorous standard. Every challenge to his beliefs is met by apologies and rationalization, without any real consideration that he might just be wrong. In short, the burden of proof Craig demands of challenges to his beliefs are much higher - and arguably impossible to achieve - than those he asks or offers in support of his own preconceptions.

This means Craig never examines his own beliefs with the rigour that he challenges the beliefs of others. It is fair to say that Craig is simply dishonest in his handling of evidence for and against Christianity.

Further, Craig's defence of his beliefs leads him to support ludicrous conclusions, such as this:
"God ensures that no one who would believe the gospel if he heard it remains ultimately unreached. Once the gospel reaches a people, God providentially places there persons who He knew would respond to it if they heard it. He ensures that those who never hear it are only those who would not accept it if they did hear it. Hence, no one is lost because of a lack of information or due to historical and geographical accident. Anyone who wants or even would want to be saved will be saved."
Craig argues here that given a free and fair choice, most people created by God would rather be punished eternally in hell with no possibility of reprieve than spend eternity in heaven. He says God placed non-Christians specifically in locations and situations where they were less likely to hear the "Gospel". He says that no matter how sincere a non-Christians religious belief or life is, they deserve nothing less than to burn eternally in hell.

As John Hick, Theologian and Philosopher of Religion, puts it:
"this is manifestly an a priori dogma, condemning hundreds of millions of people without any knowledge of them; and even many other very conservative Christian philosophers have found it repugnant. For on any reasonable view exclusivism, practiced within any religion, is incompatible with the existence of a God whose grace and mercy extends to the entire human race."
In Craig's favour, however, his position does at least allow for the possibility of reasoned argument.

Steve Hays of Triablogue bases his belief on what he calls "divine revelation":
"At the level of basic epistemology, science can never disprove the Bible because divine revelation is our only clear window onto the world. Otherwise, we perceive the world through the stained-glass solipsism of our inescapable subjectivity."
Here Hays denies even the possibility of rationality or reason as the basis for anything. That his beliefs are inescapably subjective will be obvious to everyone else - but it seems this will forever be a mystery to poor Steve.

PTET